# A lot of DTs when using offset/multiplier vs manual NCP

**URL:** <https://discourse.mc-stan.org/t/a-lot-of-dts-when-using-offset-multiplier-vs-manual-ncp/39350>\
**Category:** Modeling\
**Created:** [April 25, 2025, 5:46pm UTC](https://discourse.mc-stan.org/t/a-lot-of-dts-when-using-offset-multiplier-vs-manual-ncp/39350 "2025-04-25T17:46:01Z")\
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**Post date:** [April 25, 2025, 5:55pm UTC](https://discourse.mc-stan.org/t/a-lot-of-dts-when-using-offset-multiplier-vs-manual-ncp/39350/2 "2025-04-25T17:55:45Z")

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This is a real problem. It’s not a bug in the sense of an implementation error, it’s just a failure of our current initialization and warmup procedure. See the following current thread for an explanation of what’s going on: [Offset multiplier initialization - #44 by spinkney](https://discourse.mc-stan.org/t/offset-multiplier-initialization/20712/44)

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